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BRANDED 12:37 Sun Jul 26
Re: So who’s NOT going wear a mask from tomorrow

It’s really about mutualised risk. Some people are higher risk takers than others. Always will be.

Mike Oxsaw 12:27 Sun Jul 26
Re: So who’s NOT going wear a mask from tomorrow

If you play chicken on the M1, you might get hit by a car; it's all about context - in this case traffic volumes (amongst other things).

Same with masks - the "where you are now" is not the be-all-and-end-all of protection, although being amongst people is probably the most immediately obvious risk of picking up contamination give off be (one or more of) the others in the crowd.

What YOU exhale can linger in the atmosphere (well) after you leave and there's no trace of YOU ever having been there.

Likewise, what other exhale CAN also linger when they've left, invisibly as a cloud, waiting for you to stroll through it, breathing deeply in a manly fashion.

You don't need to nail the individual risk factor down to an absolute number before acting to reduce it...and, it's not like wearing a mask is having a number tattooed on your arm.

BRANDED 12:19 Sun Jul 26
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Mex

You have to have the virus for it to matter.

2 in 10,000 most of whom are isolating means almost no one needs to

Mex Martillo 12:13 Sun Jul 26
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Surface, yesterday, I posted some links to scientific articles that did conclude that masks did reduce risk of transmission. But you don’t have to accept their conclusions, the articles have all the science behind the conclusion so you can draw your own conclusion. If you can be bothered look down this rather boring repetitive thread of people repeating their own views irrelevant of the science.

I think it’s based on those types of studies that governments are making mask compulsory.

ironsofcanada 12:13 Sun Jul 26
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Mex Martillo 12:03 Sun Jul 26

My routine is eat first and then double "s" (I have not shaved for a while, so no triple) the shower part includes brushing teeth etc.. So it works for me.

ironsofcanada 12:09 Sun Jul 26
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I don't know if my mask - bandanna - is working or not but it is the polite thing to do for others right now and I feel no juvenile need to fight that if it is not really hurting me. (I appreciate the politeness of space at the best of times so try to give others the similar considerations.)


I certainly try to make it as safe for myself as possible. Like not wearing when you are just or walking (I see people doing so when they are cycling?) so you breath and moisten it up. Always sanitize when adjusting it or taking it off. And never half wearing it across the mouth or whatever.

BRANDED 12:06 Sun Jul 26
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Masks used correctly in a clinical environment are clearly important. But even there they are not guaranteed to prevent transmission of pathogenic agents.

The masks people use in public and the way they use them would almost surely increase probability of transmission of diseases if they had any.

Mex Martillo 12:03 Sun Jul 26
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Irons, I discovered my breath does not smell so good especially after my morning coffee.
It’s tough. I may have to start to gargle stuff.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:01 Sun Jul 26
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Mex Martillo 11:28 Sun Jul 26

'Branded do you accept as science has shown that masks reduce risk?'

As far as I'm aware, scientists have only claimed that wearing a mask MAY reduce risk. Not quite the same thing - but your certainty is touching provided you don't use that certainty to browbeat others.

Oh!!

ironsofcanada 11:59 Sun Jul 26
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Had my bandanna on my face rather than in my pocket, yesterday morning for my shopping.

I can get a bit claustrophobic so it was not my favourite experience but probably better that I thought it would be. Still nice to get it off when done.

I have a lot of hair and lot of beard right now so I hope I did not scare anyone ( as mentioned down the thread somewhere)

BRANDED 11:58 Sun Jul 26
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I just searched Uk Gov and NHS recommendations on face masks.


Face coverings yougov

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/staying-safe-outside-your-home/staying-safe-outside-your-home#face-coverings

You must wear a face covering at all times on public transport or when attending a hospital as a visitor or outpatient. Hospitals will be able to provide a face covering in emergencies. If you can, you should also wear a face covering in other enclosed public spaces where social distancing isn’t possible and where you will come into contact with people you do not normally meet. This is most relevant for short periods indoors in crowded areas. You should be prepared to remove your face covering if asked to do so by police officers and staff for the purposes of identification.
Evidence suggests that wearing a face covering does not protect you. However, if you are infected but have not yet developed symptoms, it may provide some protection for others you come into close contact with.
Face coverings do not replace social distancing. If you have symptoms of COVID-19 (cough, and/or high temperature, and/or loss of, or change in, your normal sense of smell or taste - anosmia), you and your household must isolate at home: wearing a face covering does not change this. You should arrange to have a test to see if you have COVID-19.
A face covering is not the same as the surgical masks or respirators used by healthcare and other workers as part of personal protective equipment. These should continue to be reserved for those who need them to protect against risks in their workplace, such as health and care workers, and those in industrial settings, like those exposed to dust hazards.
Face coverings should not be used by children under the age of 3 or those who may find it difficult to manage them correctly.
It is important to use face coverings properly and wash your hands before putting them on and taking them off.
You can make face-coverings at home. The key thing is it should cover the mouth and nose.


From the NHS

It's crucial that people understand that the role of face coverings is to protect others, not themselves - 'mine protects you, yours protects me'. For most of the general public, wearing a face covering offers very little protection from coronavirus for them personally even if supplies of surgical (rather than FFP3) masks were available. This is because:
* Air breathed in tends to take the 'path of least resistance'. Surgical masks are not closely fitted, so most air travels round the edges of the mask rather than through it. They therefore only protect against large droplets, not small, airborne particles.
* Following social distancing and handwashing guidelines is more effective than wearing a mask. Large droplets are highly unlikely to spread more than 2 metres.
* Wearing a face mask might also make you more likely to touch your face because they are uncomfortable or affecting your breathing.
* Face masks can offer a false sense of security, making you think you're protected against coronavirus and so more willing to take risks.
* Most people don't know how to put on, wear, take off or dispose of face masks effectively. This means they could expose themselves to the virus when putting the mask on or taking it off. 
Cloth face coverings are, relatively speaking, extremely ineffective at preventing virus getting through to the nose and mouth. The arguments for wearing these to protect yourself against infection are even less compelling.
* Up to 90% of particles penetrate cloth masks.
* Once damp (after you've been breathing while wearing one for more than a few minutes) they may actually retain virus on their surfaces.
* The European Centre for Disease Control states 'common fabric cloth masks are not considered protective against respiratory viruses and their use should not be encouraged'.

Protecting others
The main reason for members of the public wearing masks, particularly non-surgical masks, is to reduce the risk of passing coronavirus to someone else. There is evidence that they reduce both droplet and aerosol spread of virus. People who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic might not realise they are infected and spreading the virus. 
A recent study shows many people test positive for coronavirus before they develop symptoms. Another suggests people may be infectious for over two days before symptoms begin. However, the majority of the time period during which people are infectious is in the first week after developing symptoms. And under current UK guidance, anyone with symptoms should self-isolate immediately.
So the recommendation to wear face coverings has absolutely not changed other guidance. If you have any symptoms of a new, continuous cough, temperature or loss of sense of smell, you should stay at home and self-isolate until you have been tested and have the results. If the results are positive, you must self-isolate for at least seven days from the onset of your symptoms.
Anyone in your household, and any other close contacts, should self-isolate for fourteen days from their last contact with you. if they develop symptoms, they too must get tested. 
But in addition, we should all be following social distancing measures to reduce our risk of infection. This means always staying at least 2 metres from people outside of your household, and washing your hands frequently. You should make sure to cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze and avoid touching your face, nose, eyes and mouth. These measures are crucial in stopping the spread.
So if you choose to wear a face covering, it should be as well as following these rules. Wearing a face covering doesn't mean you can take more risks or increase your contact with others.

Darby_ 11:56 Sun Jul 26
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Heya, Crazy Miike. Good to see you putting your bonkers tuppence in. We haven't had enough cranks on this thread.

For the people who don't get their science from Alex Jones, here's a good article about it:

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now

BRANDED 11:48 Sun Jul 26
Re: So who’s NOT going wear a mask from tomorrow

If without face masks we were at

2 cases per 10,000 in the country.

What level do you think the new law will get us to in, say, four weeks time?

BRANDED 11:43 Sun Jul 26
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Duke

But inadvertently you did

Mike Oxsaw 11:41 Sun Jul 26
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People who get head injuries in work sites do tie up a significant amount of NHS time & money though.

If that happens, the NHS won't ever reach it's mandatory quota levels. All about financial & social profile priorities.

Nurse Ratched 11:40 Sun Jul 26
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😘 to Ron.

I love Ron.

Mex Martillo 11:40 Sun Jul 26
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But hard hats is not the same is it. If some people do not wear a hard hats it does not increase the risk for everyone else, which is the situation with masks.

I once worked in a place where hard hat wearing was compulsory. The foreman of the plant was one of the few that always wore a hard hat. One day he was standing in the middle of the plant talking with the owner who was not wearing a hard hat. Suddenly a massive stone landed on the foreman's hard hat, just about knocked him over. The owner was about a popular as the Pornos, did we wish it had been the other way round...

Iron Duke 11:39 Sun Jul 26
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I wasn’t backing you up Branded.

Takashi Miike 11:39 Sun Jul 26
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hard hats work, most of the masks are useless and won't stop you contracting a virus. not surprised the spastic darby is all for authoritarian control of the public

Mike Oxsaw 11:38 Sun Jul 26
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Branded is royally pissed off because he missed the boat on investing in mask production & delivery.

He wants you to spend and help the economy recover, just not on masks because he makes no money out of that.

BRANDED 11:36 Sun Jul 26
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Iron Duke wins today.

This is exactly the point.

We have become irrationally risk averse. Health and safety laws has essentially iradicated sensible and logical behaviour.

The natural result of this is that people don’t die of head injuries but do die of obesity.

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